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Post by goat roper on Oct 3, 2009 11:48:49 GMT -8
Justine,
I was just comparing this one to the other message board, which was recently destroyed by terrorists.
Verne
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Post by teammtrsprts on Oct 3, 2009 18:20:06 GMT -8
America was founded by Men and Women who stand up for what they know is right. This is no different.
I comment the students at Coronado High and super late models 81 and 25 for doing the right thing! "Parked cars this week in protest"
The recent promotion of physical violence by LVMS is inexcusable!
I ask you,"Mr Blair or Mr Powell" what would you do if it was your kid that was pulled out of their car and physically assaulted by several individuals? This is no different than gang violence! Would you promote it to make a buck?
You should have handled it in accordance with section 6 of the LVMS bullring rules and regs with a stiff fine and suspensions!
This incident is not exclusive to the Super late model division and will happen again!
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Post by scorekeeper on Oct 4, 2009 11:28:07 GMT -8
Billy, Lets get something straight, NO ONE was pulled from there car and beat down as you claim. There were no wittiness to this, just talk. Gang violence? Had that been the case then people would have been arrested, gone to jail and suspensions issued from LVMS. That was why only fines were issued. Telling people to "park there cars" and "LVMS has become an unsafe place to bring your family's" is nothing more than YOU trying to push YOUR opinions on other teams and drivers. Most of the teams and drivers know the channels to resolve there problems at LVMS. I wish you knew them as well.
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Post by teammtrsprts on Oct 4, 2009 20:52:52 GMT -8
Scorekeeper,
Actually there were several hundred witnesses to this gang violence. My self, and the other spotters from the top of the pit grandstands and Nascar officials!
Jeff Connors tried to tell everyone at the Gafforini union meeting that he did nothing, but was corrected by Steve Giannini and other spotters who witnessed Connors and his crew pulling Tyler Barton from his vehicle and then assaulting him several times. The Nascar officials finally arrived to break everything up.
There have been official statements filed and given to police and track officials.
Mr Blair and Mr Powell both decided to ignore those witness statements and promote the conflict on radio and their website to make a quick buck!
These are not my opinions or talk, they are facts!!
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Post by sassafrassfromhell on Oct 4, 2009 21:41:35 GMT -8
Justine, I was just comparing this one to the other message board, which was recently destroyed by terrorists. Verne hey Verne-O yeah, I know...Jim told me that message board was shut down due to whining, bickering and basic asshattery. neat.
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Post by scorekeeper on Oct 5, 2009 15:11:54 GMT -8
To: Billy Mitchell If there are wittiness statements Billy then where are they? If there were as you said several hundred people who witnessed the "incident" then why did no one who witnessed it fill out a wittiness statement either to the track or to LVMPD?? Billy, I hardly believe that the powers-to-be at LVMS have that much influence over several hundred people. If you had witnessed it then why did you not fill out a statement as to what YOU saw? You say that there were written statement given to the track and to the police, but according to the LVMPD incident report no one wanted to put anything in writing. The track officials saw a bunch of pushing and yelling, nothing more. (More yelling than pushing). According to the LVMPD incedent report and the statements by the officials and security, The officials steeped in with security to PREVENT anything from going further. NO ONE WAS EVER PULLED FROM THERE CAR IN A HOSTILE MANOR. NO ONE WAS EVER HIT WITH A WRENCH AND NO ONE WAS TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL OR TO JAIL. This matter has been closed by LVMS.
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Post by Buzzy on Oct 5, 2009 19:30:05 GMT -8
Here is a column from the Review Journal. Both Connors and Barton participated in this interview.
Boorish Bullring behavior leaves fans in pits Posted by Jeff Wolf Thursday, Oct. 01, 2009 at 02:48 PM
No fine, suspension or combination of the two seems a fitting way to resolve what happened two weeks ago between racers Jeff Connors and Taylor Barton.
Judge Judy and King Solomon couldn't dish out acceptable justice for the behavior of the top two drivers this year at Las Vegas Motor Speedway's Bullring.
Connors and Barton, respectively ranked first and second in Super Late Models, admit bad blood has flowed between them this season, but they don't agree about any of the details at the short track on Sept. 19 when a hard crash led to a shoving match or brawl, depending upon which driver describes the fracas.
Fact 1: Barton was racing behind Connors when contact sent Connors head-on into the front-stretch guardwall. The track black-flagged Barton for punting Connors. That ended Barton's night and chance to overtake Connors for the points lead with one race left.
Fact 2: While Connors' mangled car was being hauled off the track, Connors walked back to the pits where he and his crew went to Barton's pit and a fight broke out between drivers and their crews. Unsubstantiated: Connors' allegation that Barton intentionally crashed him out of the race; Barton's assertion that a punch by Connors knocked him to the ground and sent him to the hospital.
Verdict: The speedway this week ordered each to pay $1,500 fines (money earmarked for the Las Vegas chapter of Speedway Children's Charities); Barton for rough driving, Connors for physical contact with Barton. Both drivers were cited for not controlling team members.
Biggest losers I: The crowd of about 2,500 who saw an early end to the points race, and then were distracted during the demolition derby by flashing emergency lights pulsating on police cars and an ambulance in the pit area.
Biggest losers II: Fans attending this Saturday night's NASCAR All American Series season finale because its main points race is virtually over with Connors leading teammate Robert Ewing by 20 points.
Connors is 10 points ahead of Barton, and according to Barton, his season ended when he was notified of the fine. He says he will not pay it, and he won't be allowed to race at LVMS until he does.
"It's not the amount of the fine, it's the principle," Barton says.
"I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't crash into Connors on purpose; it was a racing incident. And then I get beat up afterward? I don't need to go back there and take a chance of getting hurt."
Connors believes he was intentionally taken out of the race by Barton because it was Barton's only chance that night of catching him in the points standings.
A member of Barton's team called Las Vegas police, but a track official said officers found nothing to warrant an arrest.
An ambulance also was summoned and it transported Barton to a hospital where he was examined and released with a sprained ankle and bump on his head.
"I was wrong for going over to his pit area," Connors says. "I never punched him, but I did push him. I don't condone what I did or what my crew did."
Connors said he would pay the fine. It will be a good investment because the Super Late Model season championship is worth about $5,000, which will help cover the cost of replacing the front end of his race car.
For Barton, his departure from the track could have been his last; he expects to compete next year in a NASCAR regional series that does not run at the speedway.
The All-American season ends Saturday night and is dubbed Champion's Night. Titles will be awarded in several classes, but the Super Late Models champ gets to sit on the most prestigious throne.
If Connors can hold off teammate Ewing, he will wear the crown. He acknowledges it will be a tarnished one.
The one thing Connors and Barton agreed on — in separate conversations — is each regret loyal Bullring fans will be cheated for a second night.
The only positive from this embarrassment for local racing could result from a meeting among Super Late Models drivers that was to have been held Thursday. It was expected reigning series champion Scott Gafforini and veteran Steve Anderson — the only ones at the Bullring with professional racing backgrounds — would be picked to begin meeting with the track to improve the on-track product.
It's too bad it has taken this long.
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Post by Wayne Morris on Oct 5, 2009 19:53:12 GMT -8
Wayne, You warned us. There goes the milder, gentler message board. Verne Lol Verne some one has to pregnant dog all the time but it is kinda funny to read all this, when i was racing it was all about me glad it is off my shoulders now! LOL.......just sit back and read Verne some people make fools out of there self on here!
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Post by teammtrsprts on Oct 5, 2009 20:38:06 GMT -8
Scorekeeper,
I don't know who you get your info from but it is completely false!
I know for a fact that several crew, officials and fans not only filled out police reports, but also sent emails to Mr Powell and Mr Blair.
I sent all three of them an email with no response!
Again, LVMS promoted the conflict to make money!
Your bosses have no integrity or honor!
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Post by scorekeeper on Oct 6, 2009 7:08:23 GMT -8
to; Billy Mitchell, AKA (teammtrsprts), Here you go again... Stop telling everyone to park there SLM and that the track is unsafe for the drivers and families because gangs of pit crews are taking over at LVMS.... Hmm lets compare the two and see.
Gangs: usually have colors that represent there gang. Pit crews: often have a uniform that displays there driver and car.
Gangs: usually assemble in large groups. Pit crew: often gather in large groups around a car.
Gangs: usually carry weapons like guns and knives. Pit crews: often carry wrenches and screw drivers.
Gangs: usually arrive at a location together as a group to display there presence and power. Pit crews: often arrive at a location together as a group to display there presence and power.
Gangs: often yell and fight with the opposing gang for turf or property. Pit crews: often yell at the opposing teams and the driver fights for turf (track position).
Gangs; will drive by the opposing gangs home and flash gang signs. Pit crews; walk by the opposing teams pit and flash gestures often associated with team spirit.
Gangs: will confront other opposing gang members in a show of defiance. Pit crews; often confront tecs and track personnel in a show of defiance.
You see Billy, in some ways you are right. Maybe the track has become unsafe for you . In your eyes perhaps the world will end on 3/15/2012 as some have predicted.
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Post by teammtrsprts on Oct 6, 2009 8:01:08 GMT -8
Idiot,
You cant handle the truth!
Why don't you answer my questions?
NEXT!!
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Post by scorekeeper on Oct 6, 2009 8:43:56 GMT -8
Billy, the matter has been closed.
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Post by gerry on Oct 7, 2009 6:04:53 GMT -8
why don't drivers from all the classes go beyond the local management of the track and contact Marcus Smith at Speedway Motorsports? he is the owners (Bruton) son. he might be interested in whats going on with the policies, the treatment of drivers and such. in my eyes a racer is a racer no matter which class and you pay your money to race and the fans pay their money to watch.....every racer needs to "unionize" together to get some changes.
god i miss craig road speedway
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Post by gerry on Oct 7, 2009 6:19:51 GMT -8
it would help if i put marcus' contact info on here...sorry
Marcus Smith - COO Speedway Motorsports 5555 Concord Pkwy South Concord, North Carolina 28027
Phone - 704-455-3239 Fax - 704-455-2547
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Post by heatmizer on Nov 8, 2009 13:18:48 GMT -8
Oh my!!! It's like Christmas, my birthday and any other holiday wrapped into one.
Billy, Billy, Billy. I missed your stupidity. How nice to see you still exist to "enlighten" all of us with the 4 IQ points you possess.
Lets take a momment to look at this issue and address why you are a waste of space.
I was a witness to the Barton-Conners incident. Barton DID punt Conners on purpose (Barton was wrong to do that). Conners and his crew DID go to Barton's pits (Conners was wrong to do that). Barton was "asked" if he wanted help getting out of his car...and he stupidly got out on his own (Barton was an idiot to do that)..he was NOT pulled from his car. There was an altercation between Barton, Conners and a single Conners crew member (not a "gang" of crew members). It did not involve any punches. It was a bit of shoving and Barton dropped to the ground and curled up like a beat down puppy. Barton's dad called the cops and the ambulance was not needed. Barton was just playing hurt for maximum effect.
Now, did any of this need to happen? No. Was it inevitable? Yes. Barton has never tried to race anyone with a degree of respect that he somehow feels he has earned for himself.
I think the biggest question is whether any of us felt bad that Barton got what was coming to him? I would say that is a big NO!
And are any of us sad that you and Barton "protested" by staying home and not racing?? Definately NOT. And just as a side note...we all saw your car out there trying to make the show at the open comp. Nice job blowing up your engine.
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