jjkat
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Post by jjkat on Mar 30, 2011 19:48:53 GMT -8
Say good bye to the successful cost effective spec engine in use for the last 10 years. The all aluminum (block & heads) Irwindale "crate motor" with a 650 cfm four barrel carb and 530 hp at 2975 lb's will kill the two barrel 450 hp lv spec motor at 2850. More bull nuts for tech to police since the "crate motor" rules include a 5:29 gear rule and a 6600 rpm rule. Good luck with that. All in the name of getting more out of town cars to get the car count up. The locals get screwed again. Gain a couple of out of town cars and lose several local cars.
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jjkat
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Post by jjkat on Mar 31, 2011 8:28:37 GMT -8
You have made my point. Say good bye to the spec engine. By the way they have to run at 3075 lb at Irwindale. LVMS let them run at 2975 without checking the 6600 rpm rule, no gear rule, no close ratio trans rule like they have at Irwindale. The cost of motor with mandated ignition box, mandated headers, mandated clutch is $11,500. Plus you have to have a special electric fuel pump and 650 four barrel carb. Where's the savings?
It's a sealed motor. They only authorized rebuilder is a guy in Bakersfield. How much does he charge for a rebuild? How do you verify the the motor is sealed and what do you do if you have a minor problem like a leaking valve? You can't fix it yourself. You have to pull the motor and send it to Bakersfield. Good luck with that. The Legend guys know what thats all about. If lvms checks the sealed motor rule like they do the Legends motors it will be another big joke!
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Post by fangirl on Mar 31, 2011 9:03:50 GMT -8
Most guys at irwindale will tell you that it's an $18,000 to $20,000 change to go to the crate motor. It's not just the old small block. It's a whole new generation motor. You need a new radiator, bellhousing, headers, clutch, fuel pump, water pump, drive pullys, distributor, ignition, carb, etc. Nothing from your old motor will work. Plus you have to fabricate new motor mounts. It's a sealed motor so you are stuck with paying whatever they want to charge you for repairs and rebuild. That is why the super lates class at Irwindale is down. Most everybody went to lates.
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Post by fangirl on Mar 31, 2011 10:20:46 GMT -8
Am I wrong or is this supposed to be a sealed motor? Is yours a sealed motor? If so how are you going to repair/rebuild it? Who is authorized to do it? And how much is a rebuild?
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Post by mealtime on Mar 31, 2011 10:32:04 GMT -8
I don't know much about engines but I have a few business observations/questions...
It looks to me that anyone with this LV Spec Engine has to buy or build a new engine in order to compete.
What was wrong with the LV Spec engine?
Who wants to get rid of it and why?
How many people will be affected by this change (positively or negatively)?
If you do change your engine to this new one, what do you do with your old one?
Why are these changes being made now during this recession? It looks like it will cost anywhere from $6,500 to $20,000 in order to get this new engine. Plus I believe racers have to have more than 1 engine in order to ensure they can race if they have problems with one. Do you guys make that much money racing? And what about the teams with more than one car like those blue and white Ewing Towing cars… does the guy who owns that team have to buy a bunch of new engines now?
How does the race track police this stuff anyway? Do they have some huge book with all of these different rules to reference and then come check every single car to make sure each one meets at least one version of the rules? I may be ignorant but wouldn’t it be hard to make sure every car has the right engine, weight, gear, rpm combination… and so on that have been mentioned here? How long does it take for every car to be checked? I’d imagine the teams would have to show up very early in the day or even the night before in order to check all of this stuff. It doesn’t seem very efficient, especially with another engine rule now. (on a side note, I imagine a rule book that look like one of those old choose your own adventure books I read as a kid… if you have a LV spec engine turn to page 57, if you have a CT525 engine turn to page 24, if your engine was outfitted by Bill Maropoliuos turn to page 12… HAHAHA).
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Post by puertorican on Mar 31, 2011 14:26:33 GMT -8
Billy,
Where are you buying a Vegas spec motor for 12,000.00 I want to be sure not to go there?
Keller Racing is building for $6500.00 to $7000.00 everything new except headers and carb.
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Post by fangirl on Mar 31, 2011 16:15:35 GMT -8
Who ever heard of a race engine not having problems and who ever heard of a race engine not being rebuilt? So it's a throw away engine. When it needs a rebuild you sell it and buy a new one! Yeaks!!!!
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Post by sg38 on Mar 31, 2011 16:38:09 GMT -8
Well I got a real good idea and its very simple. And it uses basic math...
A vegas spec put down about 400 hp on the chassis dyno and. @ 2850 that a 7 :1 ratio
So simply strap them down and put 5lbs per hp over 400 hp
You only need to do a couple of them / 1 ct 525 / a irw. Chevy / and a irw. Ford there all here in vegas so no big deal ill even pay for the dyno time!!!
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Post by puertorican on Apr 1, 2011 9:44:44 GMT -8
Billy,
Really? We all know why you switched to the 525 you were tired of your Vegas Machine motors blowing up, smoking and leaking oil everywhere!
The Keller's build great motors but you wouldnt know what thats like when your used to running Vegas Machine Junk!
Scotty has the best idea that would for sure even thing up.
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Post by puertorican on Apr 1, 2011 13:23:14 GMT -8
LOL!!!!!!!! This is not John Keller! Oh maybe it's Bear! No not him either. Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by sg38 on Jun 12, 2011 9:13:57 GMT -8
Well that's that. There goes another $15000 or so  |
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