Supers and lates together

[puertorican]

Below is a list of rules for supers and lates to run together. These are just my thoughts. Any and all opinions welcome. No bashing lets just discuss a way to get car count up at the Bullring.

Late models- stock front clip with stock steering box and rear leaf spring and all stock brakes,rotors, spindals and lower A-arms with a Gm604 sealed crate motor with papers.--- Allowed 4 barrel carb 2800lbs and 58% left side weight. Open motor- 2900lbs. 57% left side

Late models- stock front clip with stock steering box and with rear leafs or 3 link with stock brakes,rotors,spindals and lower A-arms with a Vegas Spec Motor --- 2850lbs. and 57% left side weight.
Open motor 2950lbs. 56% left side weight.

Late model- Fab front clip with stock steering box and with rear leafs or 3 link with stock brakes,rotors,spindals and lower A-arms with a Vegas spec motor --- 2875lbs. and 57% left side weight.
Open motor 2975lbs. 56% left side weight.

Late model- fab front clip with stock steering box and with rear leafs or 3 link with aftermarket brakes,rotors,spindals and lowers and wide 5 hubs and a vegas spec motor--- 2950lbs. and 57% left side weight.
Open motor 3050lbs. 56% left side weight.

Irwindale Late model- fab front clip with stock steering box and with rear leafs or 3 link with stock brakes, rotors, spindals and lower A-arms and an Irwindale spec motor--- 2875lbs and 57% left side weight.
Open motor 2975lbs 56% left side weight.

Irwindale Late model- Fab front clip with rack and pinion steering and fab spindals after market brakes and rotors with stock lowers and an Irwindale spec motor--- 2925lbs and 57% left side weight.
Open motor 3025lbs 56 % left side.

Superlates- Fab clip coil overs or big spring with Vegas spec motor- 3100lbs and 56% left side
Open alum headed motor add 75lbs 56% left side weight and must run a restrictor plate or possible gear rule.

All cars run on 8" wide rims and tires with 2 tire rule in effect.

Everyone can race together and have fun, it should be good close hard racing and its possible to see different winners each week.

Havasu and Blythe are having much sucess with this right now why not the Bullring.

Come on Tim pay attention your racers are asking you to race but you have to make it more competetive and help reduce cost.

Just my thoughts WHATS YOURS??

[topfive]

In a rare moment of clarity, Mike Stafford combined the 2 classes back in '08 and put everyone on 970 tires. There was good racing and good car count. Then they decided to go back to the slick tires which were good for 2 laps of qualifying before going away, forcing everyone to qualify on stickers. So they traded 20 + cars buying 970's every 3rd race for 10 cars buying slicks every weekend. A lot of people had high hopes when Richter took over, but he succumbed to the " fancy office" syndrome like everyone before him. Maybe the next Bullring manager should have his desk in the tire barn so he doesn't forget what its like to be down in the pits. They could have full car counts with some simple and fair rule adjustments to encourage all those guys with Late models to return to the track.
The 970's on 10" wheels lasted a long time and were forgiving to drive- lap times were in the low 15's- with a reasonable weight break, those Late Model guys could come back out and be competitive without making any changes to their cars. Let them run the 100 octane pump gas from Rebel- it saves a guy about 60.00 per weekend. Richter has been told from upstairs to sell track gas and tires, but he could simply let the guys with 970's and pump gas slide through tech- its not like Chris Powell is down there every night checking- he probably couldn't find the Bullring without a map. Powell just counts the receipts from the front and back gate each Monday- with 20 cars in the field and another thousand in the stands, that total will go up. Offering a few hundred in tow money to some of the California guys orphaned by Orange Show and Irwindale could bring some much needed fresh faces to the track as well

[puertorican]

If you remember they scored the Supers and Lates seperate. Iam talking about combining the classes like Havasu and Blythe have and running as lates. I do like the 970's for sure and would consider going 10" rims with 970's but then you have to add weight to all the supers so you could even up the playing field. Your Idea seems much easier to do then all my rules. make the supers weigh 3100lbs 56% left side all late models 2950lbs and 58% left side. Penalize the late models that come in with rack and pinions and aftermarket rotors,hubs spindals and brake calipers 50lbs and 1% left side. Alum. headed supers can weigh the same but run a restrictor plate. Sounds easy enough. Keep the ideas coming people.

Again just thoughts here no bashing. Please everyone join in on this lets hear your ideas.

[socalracer]

I like those rules except you shouldn't penalize a car for a rack and pinion type steering or brakes etc. If your a guy with a fab clip and you complain about a stock clip car with say wide fives with decent brakes and a real stock clip you bumped your head, the fab clip car has the advantage big time in the geometry and weight savings off the nose is what 120 lbs? just have the two classes with simple rules and go from there. Also get rid of the $2-3k shock setups set a $ amount for the shocks and go from there. My two cents.

[puertorican]

Stock clip car 2900lbs. and 58% left side. Aftermarket spindals brakes, rotors, wide five hubs and rack and pinion add 50lbs. and left side stays the same.

Maybe also have each driver declare there weight left side and engine at the begining of the season and then put a tech sticker on each car with this info on the front windshield as well as in a book for tech. Tech could then at any time run a car thru tech and check it out to make sure it is what they said it was at the begining of the season.

Just my thoughts.

[puertorican]

The idea of this is to combine the two classes as the big wigs at Vegas say that the fans dont want to see the same type of cars come out because they cant tell the difference. Well here is the solution combine them like Havasu and Blythe. 38 cars at the last late model / superlate model race. and a late model won!

[topfive]

Last night was a better turn out, with 5-6 out of towners bringing the field up to 16 cars. saw David Stetzer making the rounds in the grandstands. Maybe he has been on the phone trying to get more people to come out. Scotty looks like the class of the field so far this year- he easily ran down Clyne and Haase to take the lead.

[a]

If you want to ensure people don't run $2-3K shocks, just put in a claimer rule. Let the guys with the big bucks buy whatever they want and risk haiving to give them up, in tech and infront of everyone, for a price. Or do what INEX does and make everyone run a box shock, but then tech would have to enforce it.

[puertorican]

So you only had 16 cars this week and 7 were from out of town. That means you only got 9 regulars pretty sad don't you think? Combine the supers and lates and I bet you get a number of late model guys to come back out and play. Get on the horn to the track people let Tim know what the racers want! It can be done its already happening at other track.

Hell even the new track in Kern is only having Late models you should see that rules package what a joke!

[bumpnrun]

Something must be wrong when your 2nd,3rd,4th & 5th place drivers in points last year is not racing this year. (Ewing, S.Anderson, D.Anderson,Beasley) What does that tell you! Thats pretty bad. If they where then there would of been 20 cars last race.

[dave]

The reason the counts are down has more to do with track management and funding of the cars than it does any particular rule. In Vegas the economy is still pretty harsh and in So Cal gas is $4.50 and diesel is approaching $5/gal. Then track tires and gas on top of that. Until there is wholesale change at the management level nothing will change at the Bullring. The reason the Bullring is lagging and Irwindale folded has to do with the racer/track operator relationship. In Blythe and Havasu the racers and track get on great. That's the difference right there and until that dynamic changes it will be more of the same.