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Apr 8, 2010 10:32:58 GMT -8
Post by wayfast01 on Apr 8, 2010 10:32:58 GMT -8
Billy (aka Hero) has been awfully quiet on this forum......Guess he doesnt want to become the reason this one is shut-down also!
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Apr 8, 2010 18:48:23 GMT -8
Post by pete on Apr 8, 2010 18:48:23 GMT -8
letsraceinthemiddleofthepack; sounds like more frustration on your part. Keep it up. It entertains me.
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Apr 9, 2010 13:59:54 GMT -8
Post by letsrace on Apr 9, 2010 13:59:54 GMT -8
Well Pete, the only thing entertaining here is you and your fluffer status. And I will say the middle of the pack appears be be half further to the front than your rear of the pack finishs. Oh, wait from what I hear, you like that as well. Stick with your fluffer job, it seems to be something you just might be go at and it keeps your mouth occupied.
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Apr 9, 2010 21:01:43 GMT -8
Post by goneracing on Apr 9, 2010 21:01:43 GMT -8
OMG will you two get off it.
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Apr 12, 2010 20:23:10 GMT -8
Post by pete on Apr 12, 2010 20:23:10 GMT -8
You call a first place finish in the Bullring opener rear of pack? - nice math nuts for brains! I'm told your going to be beating part time racers at best on average this season. But hey, that's just the word on the street. Step it up, spend some money tightwad.
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Apr 13, 2010 19:29:09 GMT -8
Post by letsrace on Apr 13, 2010 19:29:09 GMT -8
Pete, if you wish to continue this move over the chargers. As I said before we are in the wrong forum section. I will continue in the chargers section but not here. They really deserve some peace from your childish, irrelevant, and contorted ranting.
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Apr 17, 2010 19:36:26 GMT -8
Post by pete on Apr 17, 2010 19:36:26 GMT -8
chucky - childish was your need to thanked more than once for something most any racer at the bullring would do without expecting thanks twice. Contorted is your thinking that a race is over if you don't have power steering.
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Apr 28, 2010 9:01:58 GMT -8
Post by wayfast01 on Apr 28, 2010 9:01:58 GMT -8
I was told that my comments in regards to ensuring drivers were ready for the jump to the SLM division before putting them on the track and endangering other drivers and their cars(and financial well being) has offended some. I apoligize, as it was not meant as as slam on any driver(s) or team(s), it was merely an observation as to what I felt was leading to the high number of on-track incidents.
Though I apoligize to those I offended, I still feel that there is too much physical and financial risk to others to place drivers in a division they are not yet comfortable or ready to race in.
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Apr 28, 2010 10:58:47 GMT -8
Post by dave on Apr 28, 2010 10:58:47 GMT -8
I think it has more to do with the licensing rules than any particular driver. I don't think you should apologize for something that is so obvious. Sports cars and drags have formal requirements to get on the track in the first place, let alone start wheel to wheel racing. There is nothing like that for entry level stock cars.
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Apr 28, 2010 12:49:17 GMT -8
Post by wayfast01 on Apr 28, 2010 12:49:17 GMT -8
I think there is a progression in stock cars, Bombers, chargers, SLM's. You could even jump into the late models at other locations within a few hours of Vegas.
There are a few people out there that have had their kids practicing for awhile now in a late model so that when they become old enough they can jump in and race the car and have a couple years worth of seat time in it already.....
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Apr 28, 2010 13:23:19 GMT -8
Post by dave on Apr 28, 2010 13:23:19 GMT -8
While functionally it's a ladder, it's not monitored and mandated. For example in SCCA even with wheel to wheel race experience you still need to pass a comprehensive physical and meet minimum track time/schooling. After that you are issued a probational license and log book with any incidents being documented. Right now, with no experience I could buy a late model and turn up at Irwindale and run the Showdown. I had a total of about a dozen laps under speed at the point I was sent that entry blank by Daytona.
I don't seeit as an epidemic but the point is that in this form of racing you can buy equipment that you aren't qualified to use and show up and race. That's not normal in other racing series.
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Apr 28, 2010 14:26:08 GMT -8
Post by topfive on Apr 28, 2010 14:26:08 GMT -8
The SCCA model was essentially a hand me down from the European formula which evolved from a gentleman's sport. Much of those licensing requirements were designed to keep the sport in the hands of the elite and keep the riff-raff out. SCCA has succeeded in this effort and that's why it has zero audience. Stock car racing's attitude is " grab a helmet, get a car and let's see what you've got" and has surpassed all other forms of motorports by leaps and bounds. Can you imagine Junior Johnson or Curtis Turner tippy- toeing around with some log book and " probationary" license.
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Apr 28, 2010 15:43:59 GMT -8
Post by wayfast01 on Apr 28, 2010 15:43:59 GMT -8
Topfive, so you think that if you have the money to race you should be able to just jump out on the track and race? Does that mean if I hit MegaBucks tomorrow I can go out, with no race time and try and qualify for Richmond this weekend? That isn't the way NASCAR works anymore, and shouldn't be the way specific divisions of racing should either. NASCAR has a committee that the driver has to appear before and they make the decision whether that driver can move up to the next level of competition. I think a driver should have to actually prove their ability to race prior to being allowed into the SLM's.
I don't want to keep racing out of the reach of the average Joe, as long as Joe has proven he can drive. If Joe can run consistently without wrecking himself or worse, others, than he should be allowed to run. If he cannot, then Joe needs to spend more time in a lower division getting the seat time he needs.
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Apr 28, 2010 15:47:32 GMT -8
Post by wayfast01 on Apr 28, 2010 15:47:32 GMT -8
If I have not been clear on this it all comes down to one thing....Seat time, seat time, seat time......and not in a SLM, but a Bando, legend, roadster, bomber or charger.....
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Apr 28, 2010 17:04:24 GMT -8
Post by dave on Apr 28, 2010 17:04:24 GMT -8
Topfive I don't know where you get your info on the roots of SCCA but it doesn't mesh with reality. The European system is much different as they have no where near the amount of amateur racers we do in the states and the licensing procedure is different than it is over here. Are you an SCCA or NASA member? The SCCA has no audience because it's all amateur racers racing mainly for fun. Except for the Run Offs it's not meant to be a TV sport or spectator sport. That5;s like complaining that the Weds night hockey league at the Fiesta isn't getting coverage on Versus.
The SCCA (and NASA) licensing rules to do with insurance and making sure that knucklehead gentleman racers with more money than sense don't go out and buy an SM or GT3 and hit the track with no experience. Drags are the same thing, NHRA or IHRA. You just can't turn up with an alcohol funny car and have at it.
Once you get out of Division 1-4 NASCAR Bodine has to approve your license request. With a Charger license only racing in a division 1 class like Bomber I wouldn't likely be approved to run K&N West. Not that I would try at this point. Wayfast I think has the right idea. Seat time in lower ranks and work your way up.
As far as stock car racing "surpassing all other motorsports by leaps and bounds", again, a matter of perspective. While Cup racing is the most popular in the US, it barely makes the top 5 worldwide and that's only been in the last 8 or 10 years due to the wild popularity in this country. More people in Spain alone (or Italy or Britain or Germany or many other countries on the planet) watch any given Grands Prix than people that watch Cup stock car racing in the world.
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