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Post by wayfast01 on Jun 21, 2010 7:40:46 GMT -8
Heard a rumor on Saturday night that a bando engine was confiscated for counterfeit seals? I was just wondering if this really did happen and if so what car was it???
I am hoping it was only a rumor and in fact some one was not able to run almost half the season with a built engine and bad seals.....
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Post by trackfan on Jun 21, 2010 10:15:16 GMT -8
You are correct. It was the 19 car that appeared to have tampered seals. From what was told around the pits, they said INX in lieu of INEX and all the seals were on backwards so you could not see the numbers.
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Post by wayfast01 on Jun 21, 2010 13:48:55 GMT -8
If that is the case, and I can read the rules correctly that carries a minimum suspension of 1 year and could be both for the owner and driver. I hate to see Michael have to sit out the season for something I hope was an honest mistake on an engine purchased from a 3rd party. I can say this though, that I will be checking closer if we buy anything from some one going forward.
The information is from the USlegendcars website;
As listed in the INEX rulebook. Tampering, removing, altering the engine seals will result in a suspension from one year (first offense) to a lifetime ban (multiple offenses). Competing with an engine that has been altered may result in a suspension for both the owner and driver. Additional fines may be applied also."
The above rule does hold the driver and owner responsible for the components inside the engine. Crew Chiefs, hired mechanics, etc. may also be held responsible for engines that have been tampered with and face further penalties up to and including suspension from all INEX sanctioned events..
Also listed in the INEX rulebook, "If you purchase an engine from a questionable source it is best to get it checked by an INEX authorized sealed engine builder! All repairs requiring removing the seal(s) must be addressed by the US Legend Cars engine shop."
If you have any concerns about your engine, Please contact the US Legend Cars Engine Shop at (704) 455 - 3896. Engines can be sent to the US Legend Cars Engine Shop for inspection and re-seal for an inspection fee.
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Post by trackfan on Jun 21, 2010 15:12:51 GMT -8
Wow many conversations going on today with this issue. I just heard that the DQ has taken place against the 19 Bando, and the motor is being sent back to North Carolina at this time. If INEX complies to the rules as stated in 2008. Both driver and owner should be removed from any INEX racing for 1 year.
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Post by wayfast01 on Jun 21, 2010 15:22:49 GMT -8
This is one of the things that I do not think INEX give any room on! If he was in fact DQ'd for tampered/fake seals than I think they can expect that year suspension. But, I guess we will know their decision by the Night of Fire.....
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Post by griffithsracing on Jun 21, 2010 15:26:02 GMT -8
Motor was obtained in a trade from a guy in Cali from wat I understand...i belive it was an honest mistake and is one of those things u never know wat ur getting till u go thru it
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Post by trackfan on Jun 21, 2010 15:30:30 GMT -8
Agree & Disagree. Sorry to the kid as for him this sucks, however an owner buys something used then its his responsibility to make sure its legal before coming to the track.
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Post by wayfast01 on Jun 21, 2010 15:41:48 GMT -8
I refer back to my post a few back...INEX put out a bulletin on their website:
"If you purchase an engine from a questionable source it is best to get it checked by an INEX authorized sealed engine builder! All repairs requiring removing the seal(s) must be addressed by the US Legend Cars engine shop."
If you have any concerns about your engine, Please contact the US Legend Cars Engine Shop at (704) 455 - 3896. Engines can be sent to the US Legend Cars Engine Shop for inspection and re-seal for an inspection fee."
I agree with trackfan, it does suck for Michael and I feel bad for him. But, honest mistake or not, I look at this as my son and every other Bando Outlaw has been cheated this year by trying to compete and keep up with an illegal engine. So part of me feels bad and the other part of me is glad that it was found and hopefully appropriate action is taken.
When ever kids are involved I hate to see them punished for something they may not have had any part in, but where do you draw the line? The rules must be enforced as written and unfortunately that impacts a child......
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Post by trackfan on Jun 21, 2010 16:05:03 GMT -8
Wayfast, you are right. If I was a Bando dad I would be very pissed!!! Out of all the divisions at the bullring, the Bando's are being worked on all night. Never a break. Not only did the #19 cheat himself, but he cheated all the other kids and parents in the division. I bet the dad wont be very popular at the bullring now. Wow. Last you know how the track responds to things like this. Once a cheater always a cheater.
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Post by Buzzy on Jun 21, 2010 19:38:49 GMT -8
Are we still in the "Great USA" or what? What the hell happened to innocent until proved guilty? Let us all just calm down until ALL of the facts are in on this one. Calling someone a cheat is very harsh when we know nothing yet. Do you think that this is fare treatment of Michael? Calling all involved names will only hurt him in the end - he is just a young boy. I don't know these people, never met them but what is right is right.
Is anyone going to apologize to this young boy if it turns out to be untrue?
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Post by trackfan on Jun 21, 2010 21:04:42 GMT -8
Buzzy, The rules are simple. If the seals are tampered with or not INEX you are "GUILTY". I guess the DQ is already done so again GUILTY.
The ones who deserve an apology are the parents playing legal and getting cheated as someone has to go this far to win.
Amazing what you can find out if you just listen. From what I have been told, it appears this family has not won many races at the bullring in the bando until the last few weeks, and when they got a few wins they started talking "S&%$" about many people and it did not go over well.
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Post by DemonC on Jun 22, 2010 7:37:52 GMT -8
Unfortunately the rules are simple but Buzzy has a point, all the facts aren't in. And looking at the numbers, is it really a "cheater" motor?
Saturday night Michael qualified 4th quick and finished 2nd. He did have the fastest lap, but only by 1/100 of a second. Friday night, he qualified 2nd quick (by 4/100) and finished 1st but did not turn the fastest lap.
The race prior, on Saturday night he qualified 1st by 1/10th of a sec, but although he finished 1st in the feature he did not turn the fastest lap. On that Friday, he dq'd from qualifying (not sure why) and finished 4th in the feature and did not turn the fastest lap.
Obviously something is awry or they wouldn't have confiscated the motor, but I don't believe I would jump to any conclusions at this point in time...
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Post by wayfast01 on Jun 22, 2010 10:07:22 GMT -8
I agree that the times do not look like it is a cheater motor, and I hope that when the dust settles it can be worked out to keep Michael on the track.
All along all I continue to say about stuff like this is that I want a level playing field for my son to compete on. I am struggling enough to get a good car for him and I don't want an unfair disadvantage by following the rules, if others are not. Now, with that said, can some one violate the rules without doing it knowingly, without a doubt the answer is yes. I was told it was an honest mistake, and I like to believe that it was. I for one have said numerous times that if we were DQ'd for something it would be out of my ignorance that it happened, because I still don't know the car well enough to cheat.
My understanding is that the car was run for 3 races with the bad seals, if it was my decision I would focus any possible sanctions on those 3 races, and let Michael continue to race this season. I would hate to see any kid have to sit for the rest of the season. But my understanding is that INEX is not very understanding when it comes to the engine seals. The engine seal is the one regulatory piece that keeps spec racing spec racing.
Good Luck Michael in the results and I hope to see you racing on the 1st......We as a team want to compete against the best week in and week out, this is after all a developmental process, and hate to see anyone get pushed out.....
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Post by trackfan on Jun 22, 2010 15:18:38 GMT -8
Well I have found out more info today: It appears that the #19 Bando had not won a race this year until the last 3 race weekends (When the confiscated engine was put in. Ineresting). I guess when they put this motor in it picked up 6/10th per lap. I guess the Dad told everyone he found out something special from a guy in North Carolina. The strange part is they have another car on the track and it currently runs in the back of the pack. Interesting that the new info helped one car but not the other. It appears that this is another case of a Dad screwing it up for the kid. I also heard the kid is a good driver and should do well in other divisions, however thanks to a Dad who must win, his season is pretty much done. I don't see how INEX can turn their head on this as the seals were fake and since the DQ has already been done, they must enforce their own rules with suspension for 1 year. If they don't they are opening up a major issue to Bando Dads showing up and cheating every week.
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Post by trackfan on Jun 22, 2010 15:59:51 GMT -8
Stagefright you are right on. If the #19 team is not suspended for 1 year, this is a smack in the face to all the good teams out there who play legal. THEY WERE DQ'D BY THE TRACK BECAUSE THEY WERE CHEATING! END OF STORY! I don't know how many races this team has won this year since they put in the cheated motor, however each night one of the Bando kids were cheated out of a win. That sucks. Last this appears not to be a track issue but a INEX issue. I hope the LVMS Bullring does not get thrown into this Bando mess.
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