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Post by Wayne Morris on Jun 22, 2010 18:03:16 GMT -8
well for all you guy's out there yes there are rules and we broke it but i did not do it on purpose i had a superlate model and i traded it for a 2nd car and 2 motor and parts one motor was new in a box i had just put it in 3 races ago that is the one with the bad seals and they looked real to me we only won 2 races with that motor the other motor that has won the races is in the 19 x car as this is his first year racing a bando and is learning give him time he has already picked it up with his times!i may not be popular at the track but that is ok i have talked to a guy from NC and did learn alot on the chassis! Thank you
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Post by topfive on Jun 23, 2010 5:26:56 GMT -8
Having tampered seals does not mean that the motor was cheated up. A lot of guys wish they could do their own work because the INEX people charge an arm and a leg to do anything on these little lawn mower engines. Its possible that whoever broke the seals did it just to save some money. They should have cut the seals off the motor in tech and re-sealed the motor with legal seals and sent the questionable ones to NC. If the seals were found to be illegal, then they should open the motor in public and check it for legality. If the motor is legal, then the # 19 should be DQ'd from the race and nothing more. Unfortunately, once the motor goes back east, it will never be seen again.
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Post by wayfast01 on Jun 23, 2010 7:19:25 GMT -8
If the engine if found to be legal they will get it back, along with the shipping bill, but they will get it back. The bad thing for Michael is that the rule states nothing as to whether the motor is legal or not, it only says that if the seals are not INEX (paraphrasing here) that it results in a suspension from a year to lifetime(multiple offenses). I think a year is a very harsh punishment, even though the 19's Dad and I don't see eye to eye, I still do not want to see them pushed out for a year. I do not want to see a kid punished for the sins of the parent, whether intentional or not. Michael should be allowed to continue to race, and the sanctions focused on the 3 races he used the engine. That is how I see it, but the rules seem black and white on this, but we will see how it turns out.
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Post by Wayne Morris on Jun 23, 2010 16:58:02 GMT -8
Yeah i will be back i will work on other cars out there ! the seals looked like the ones right from 600 you could not tell theM appart by just looking!And i could not afford to send it back!!!!! And think about this IF I WAS GOING TO CHEAT I WOULD DO BOTH CARS NOT JUST ONE THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH I WILL BE THERE ON THE NIGHT OF FIRE with MY OTHER SON heWILL BE THERE RACING also if you have a problem with me come talk to me and not hide behind a name! And by the way if i knew it was cheated do u think i would let 600 RACING TAKE THE MOTOR? I DONT THINK I WOULD LET THEM! AND BY THE WAY IF ALL YOU GUYS HAVE NOTHING TO DO BUT SIT ON A damm MESSAGEBOARD AND BASH ME OR MY SON ,YOU GUY'S HAVE A BORING LIFE, iT IS OVER AND DONE WITH,AND HOW CAN YOU SAY WE ARE CHEATER WHEN YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IF MY MOTOR IS CHEATED LET 600 RACING MAKE THAT CALL. IM GOING TO LAUGH IF MY MOTOR IS LEGAL,SO THEN you GUY'S CAN SAY THE SEALS MADE US FAST LOL!!IM GOING TO BE A MAN ABOUT THIS AND LET IT GO AND MOVE ON AND DEAL WITH WHAT COMES MY WAY,WHILE YOU GUY'S SIT ON HERE AND TALK nuts! THANK'S MICHAEL AND WAYNE MORRIS
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Post by Buzzy on Jun 23, 2010 19:51:17 GMT -8
Wayne,
As I said in my prior post, no one should be judging anyone until all of the facts are known, especially when it involves a young child. Once an answer has been received from INEX, then and only then should the tongues wag, but calling a child a cheat is just wrong. This can damage a child for life when he is not responsible for what others do to and for him.
Adults are mostly brainless when it comes to bashing others - age and facts don't seem to matter even when they make themselves look like fools. I am just sorry that if this was an honest mistake, the punishment seems VERY harsh and unjust punishment for the child. Your son should not be penalized for the mistakes of others if that should be the outcome.
I am sorry for you both and hope that everything is cleared up in a positive manor, put this in the books as a learning experience, so that you and Michael can get back to the sport of racing. Good luck!
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Post by newguy on Jun 24, 2010 8:04:24 GMT -8
I am new around here and only a fan out at the track, but this seems to be a lightning rod subject.
If I read the previous post about the rule, it looks like both the driver and car owner get suspended for using illegal engine seals? Did I read this right? Wayne will you be able to race with your other son if you get suspended? I hate to see one child impacted by a mistake much less both of them.
I have not read anything about an official suspension either, it just looks like a disqualification from the previous race, so why all the talk about the suspension since it has not happened.
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Post by newguy on Jun 25, 2010 9:26:06 GMT -8
I also went through this years results week-by-week for the bandos and found some interesting data. Old Motor - 1 win in 9 races and a fast time of 20.187 New Motor - 4 wins in 6 races and a fast time of 20.117
The fast time Michael ran is very comparable, but the win total is not. It comes down to since the engine change the heat has hit the valley and his times have not dropped off as much the rest of the field. So I cannot say that the results indicate a "cheater engine" or just that team just runs better in the heat.
I do find it strange though that the Dad deleted the original message about being legal and everyone can keep whining in the other threrad, guilty conscience maybe? I have also heard through some private messages that this is not the first time in dad's time at the Bullring that he has been guilty of cheating. I hope this is not an example of dad trying to relive the glory days through the son at any cost!
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Post by griffithsracing on Jul 5, 2010 19:54:38 GMT -8
JUST INCASE U HAVENT HEARD MOTOR IS BEING SENT BACK WITH THE RIGHT SEALS...IT WAS FOUND A 100% LEGAL (MINUS SEALS)...
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Post by griffithsracing on Jul 5, 2010 19:55:46 GMT -8
also new guy maybe its called seat time thats y he is winning more...
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Post by newguy on Jul 6, 2010 7:49:57 GMT -8
The engine was legal, great. But it still had illegal seals, what is being done about that?
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Post by winorlose on Jul 6, 2010 9:10:01 GMT -8
there will be a suspencion from wat i hear!
glad those seal helped him pick up 4 wins, no driver skill was used...come on now some one fell victim to someones stupid mistake and now mike is suffering i hope now the motor is found to be legal the suspencion willl be thought out befor they pull the trigger...no need to lose out of two yrs (lost points lead this yr and a chance for championship this yr as well and next).
Just my .02 i know rules are rules but seals have nothing wat so ever to do with the speed and talent of the driver.
mike
Ps. keep up the good work dino and morris racing
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Post by wayfast01 on Jul 6, 2010 11:32:45 GMT -8
I don't think he should have a 1 year suspension, the seals were illegal but the engine was not, okay, then address the races that the car was driven with the illegal seals and let the kid keep racing! The engine was run for 3 weeks with the illegal seals, even if you limit your sanctions/penalties to those races you are penalizing the kid more than enough!
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Post by griffithsracing on Jul 6, 2010 12:27:09 GMT -8
Agreed way fast and mike motor wasn't illegal so shouldn't be suspended for the year I belive that rule was writen for people who have illegal seals and motor bu well have to wait and see
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Post by dave on Jul 6, 2010 13:07:51 GMT -8
Agreed way fast and mike motor wasn't illegal so shouldn't be suspended for the year I belive that rule was writen for people who have illegal seals and motor bu well have to wait and see The rule applies to the seals regardless of the compliance of the engine. The rule is that way because they want you to get parts and service from an INEX shop. The reason people use forged seals and still have a compliant engine is that they can do the labor themselves and get parts cheaper than from INEX. The rule states that they MAY be suspended for competing with a tampered engine. Since he played the used engine card and cooperated in sending it back and otherwise in compliance I don't see the penalty being as harsh as a year. I'd expect some sort of penalty, loss of season points perhaps.
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Post by Buzzy on Jul 6, 2010 19:11:33 GMT -8
Glad to hear that Wayne's name has been cleared. If I were him, I would be telling everyone the results of the findings. He is showing by his silence that he is the bigger man in all of this.
There are quite a few apologies that need to be sent his way for all of the unfounded accusations that have been made against him.
Which one of you "BIG MEN" are going to tell the young driver and his stand-up father that you made a mistake? Can't wait to see who's balls are as big as their mouths.
This should really be interesting now!
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